Agreed. If a movie cast rants at me that 'the movie isn't made for my demographic, I don't, and my wallet certainly doesn't go where it's not wanted. I am, however grimly amused when they discover how much that hurts their bottom line. I don't follow their agenda, I'm not a sheep, and they can go broke. The sooner we're over this nonsense, the better.
I agree, it was the crappy writing and the need to watch soo much of the other stuff that ruined the superheroes for me. But, I was never the target audience... I was just a soft normie willing to go along because my son loves superheroes. Even he lost interest when they ignored their own lore for "reasons" his beautiful little autistic brain never understood.
I so agree with you. DC and Marvel keep shooting themselves and bleeding on the audience.
In writing my own superhero fiction, I have tried to avoid every mistake they have made with their films, and there have been plenty. But I'll only have myself to blame if it doesn't work.
Hollywood has forgotten the most basic lesson of all. Movies should be for everyone. Men have been known to go to chick flicks and even laugh. Women have been known to go to Star Wars movies.
If you let your stars get on X and say, "We don't want single white men to go see our movie," no white man, married or not, will go see your movie.
For a while, I was watching "the Mandolorian," but when they made Bocotan the Mando, I stopped watching.
"The Message." I like it. I haven't come across a better name for what others call "Wokery" or "propaganda." So thank you.
By strange coincidence, today I read both this substack and The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis. I was struck by this line: "The old (education) dealt with its pupils as grown birds deal with young birds when they teach them how to fly; the new deals with them more as the poultry-keeper..."
Messages can be honest or dishonest, and I think it's this dishonesty that we feel so keenly in The Message. I know when the author of the book I'm reading loves me, and when they want to use me.
When the message downs out the story, it’s no longer worth watching. Same with authors who prefer to spout their politics in their work even when it has literally nothing to do with the plot. It’s just background noise. And when that background noise becomes louder than the story…you see where I’m going with this, right?
Agreed. If a movie cast rants at me that 'the movie isn't made for my demographic, I don't, and my wallet certainly doesn't go where it's not wanted. I am, however grimly amused when they discover how much that hurts their bottom line. I don't follow their agenda, I'm not a sheep, and they can go broke. The sooner we're over this nonsense, the better.
And it's only gotten worse.
This is why I miss the Heroes Unleashed series.
Damn, that was so good.
I agree, it was the crappy writing and the need to watch soo much of the other stuff that ruined the superheroes for me. But, I was never the target audience... I was just a soft normie willing to go along because my son loves superheroes. Even he lost interest when they ignored their own lore for "reasons" his beautiful little autistic brain never understood.
I stopped wanting to see Dr. Strange 2 when I found out he wasn’t the star of his own movie.
Bingo
This is something that I've been telling people as well-it's not "superhero" fatigue, it's BAD MOVIE fatigue.
It's the movies where the 98-pound soaking-wet girl beats a 300-pound guy and doesn't break a nail.
It's the movies where political talking points are SHOVED in so hard that there are proctolgists that are driving BMWs off the ass-pulls.
It's crappy SFX that were clearly done in a rush, because of the Mad-Lib/"storybook"-style of production and editing that is the norm these days.
People are tired of crappy movies. They want good ones and they aren't getting them from Hollywood for the most part.
I so agree with you. DC and Marvel keep shooting themselves and bleeding on the audience.
In writing my own superhero fiction, I have tried to avoid every mistake they have made with their films, and there have been plenty. But I'll only have myself to blame if it doesn't work.
Hollywood has forgotten the most basic lesson of all. Movies should be for everyone. Men have been known to go to chick flicks and even laugh. Women have been known to go to Star Wars movies.
If you let your stars get on X and say, "We don't want single white men to go see our movie," no white man, married or not, will go see your movie.
For a while, I was watching "the Mandolorian," but when they made Bocotan the Mando, I stopped watching.
My Hero Academia is still going strong.
So yes. It has to be more than just "tired of superheroes".
"I've managed to aggravate myself sufficiently" hahahaha! story of life. This resonates strongly with me! Haha
"The Message." I like it. I haven't come across a better name for what others call "Wokery" or "propaganda." So thank you.
By strange coincidence, today I read both this substack and The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis. I was struck by this line: "The old (education) dealt with its pupils as grown birds deal with young birds when they teach them how to fly; the new deals with them more as the poultry-keeper..."
Messages can be honest or dishonest, and I think it's this dishonesty that we feel so keenly in The Message. I know when the author of the book I'm reading loves me, and when they want to use me.
I will suggest you check out "The Critical Drinker" on YouTube, he coined "The Message" as far as I can tell. It's one of his memes. :)
When the message downs out the story, it’s no longer worth watching. Same with authors who prefer to spout their politics in their work even when it has literally nothing to do with the plot. It’s just background noise. And when that background noise becomes louder than the story…you see where I’m going with this, right?
I've been a fan of Joss Wedon since Firefly.
When he's given control, he does a great job.